No title deeds for rural areas- Ziyambi says

HON. MAVETERA:  On a point of order Mr. Speaker Sir.  Thank you very much Hon. Speaker.  Hon. Mliswa said he is a disgrace to the youth.  May he please withdraw those words.  As the ruling party, we have elected him as our leader.  He has no right to say that we made a mistake.  He has to withdraw.  He is our leader as a party and that is what we have decided.  He has to withdraw.  Thank you Mr. Speaker.  It is only fair for him to withdraw because it is also a disgrace to us as a party.  He has to withdraw – [HON. MEMBERS:  Inaudible interjections.] –

THE HON. SPEAKER:  Order, order!  I have understood the context of that statement.  He said as a youth he must be disciplined.  There is nothing wrong with that.

HON. MUNENGAMI:  Thank you Hon. Speaker.  I would like to ask the Hon. Minister that – is Government going to cancel all the debts so that Government clears the debts?

HON. ZIYAMBI:  When I was explaining I said that what we are doing regarding the title deeds is that there are monies which are supposed to be paid and the President is saying that for people who have occupied these houses for a long time, Government is going to clear the fees for the processing of title deeds, for instance, surveys and plans and the verification process of the identities of the title deed holders.  This will be done so that there is physical inspection to determine the person who is going to receive the title deeds.  We do not want to issue title deeds to the wrong people.

These are processes which need funding.  This is what Government is saying so that our people have title deeds which will benefit their families.  I thank you Mr. Speaker Sir.

HON. NDUNA:  Mr. Speaker Sir, I would want to know from the Hon. Minister the issue of timelines.  The houses in question belong to the old aged and what is happening is, the councilors and the council officials are busy taking over these houses from those that would have passed on at the detriment and much to the chagrin of the families of our dearly departed.  How much time do we expect that this exercise will be completed so that our people can and must not be unfairly disenfranchised after the demise of their dearly departed old aged owners of the houses, kana yava nyaya yechirungu.

THE HON. SPEAKER: Sit down, please do not make noise when you have asked a good question.

THE MINISTER OF JUSTICE, LEGAL AND PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (HON. ZIYAMBI): Hon. Speaker, I want to thank the Hon. Member. At this juncture, I am extremely hesitant to give timelines.  It is an exercise that we are learning every day.  Initially, I thought we could do it extremely fast but we realise that we need to follow all the processes and it is an exercise that we are starting to do now, it has never been done.  So, I believe that after the pilot project in Epworth, we will be able to now say we can do Caledonia within a month or within three weeks.  As of now, I am cautious not to give timelines. I thank you.

HON. MURAI: Thank you Hon. Speaker.  My supplementary question to the Hon. Minister is that I want to know the factors you consider when giving these title deeds to people?

THE HON. SPEAKER: Do you want factors or criteria?

HON. MURAI: Factors or criteria, to say of late…

THE HON. SPEAKER: Thank you, we got the question.

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